S&L Podcast - #505 - The Roman Empire is My Roman Empire
/The nominations have begun for our March Tournament! Why do we care if eBooks and print books are the same? And our first thoughts on The Will of the Many.
WHAT ARE WE NOMINATING?
• Tom: Tomato Soup and grilled cheese
• Veronica: Bailey's
QUICK BURNS
Welcome to the 10th annual March Madness tournament!
What is the Sword & Laser March Madness tournament you ask?
Each year we take nominations from our members for the Sci-Fi and Fantasy books they think the group should read and narrow it down to 16. We create two brackets, one for each genre. That means there are 8 Sword picks, and 8 Laser picks.
The 16 books are selected by our benevolent leaders based on your suggestions in the nomination thread and a super secret criteria of their own making for seeding etc.
Once the brackets are set we have 4 rounds of voting. Rounds 1-3 will take us from 8 Sword books and 8 Laser books down to 1 of each that will go head to head to be our pick for April.
This single elimination style tournament is inspired by some sporting event that takes place every year during the month of March. Does your nomination have what it takes to win 4 straight head-to-head matchups and become our April book pick? Let the madness begin!
This thread will serve as the main information center for the tournament and I'll be creating separate threads for each round.
March Madness Info Thread
Nominations: February 6th - February 20th 7pm ET
Round of 16: February 23rd - March 1st 11:59 PM ET
Round of 8: March 2nd - 8th 11:59 PM ET
Round of 4: March 9th - 15th 11:59 PM ET
Final Round: March 16th - 22nd 11:59PM ET
Seth: In a move that I assume most authors will applaud, Simon and Schuster will no longer require (or it looks like, even encourage) authors to find blurbs for their books.
The new editor, writing a piece for Publisher's Weekly says, among other things, "I don’t want my favorite writers writing blurbs—I want them writing more books so I can read them!" And more pointedly, "this kind of favor trading creates an incestuous and unmeritocratic literary ecosystem that often rewards connections over talent.
I've certainly given a book a second look because of who blurbed it, but probably this is a positive change
Publishers Weekly Article
Trike: Travis Baldree’s new book, Brigands & Breadknives, is available for pre-order. Releases November 11.
Goodreads: Brigands & Breadknives
Mark:
Silver and Lead, the 19th October Daye novel by Sword and Laser Miéville effect author Seanan McGuire is coming 30 September 2025. The Kindle edition is a bargain at only $14.99, 48% off the price of the hardcover edition!
Paul: Locus Magazine has released its Recommended Reading List where they recommend their favourite genre books from 2024. I listened to a podcast where they talked about how they whittle down the list, and I find that fascinating since this list contains over 200 books... Makes me wonder how long the original list was!
It might seem a bit daunting, but personally, I like to keep this tab open and work through the list a little bit at a time. I save it for when I'm stuck in front of a computer and don't feel like facing real life, and would rather just add things to my TBR. That might be an odd form of self-care, but I'm sure I have kindred spirits here!
Locus Recommended Reading List
specious_reasons - The Seattle Area Sword & Laser wants to meet you! We're in the early stage of planning a Seattle/Tacoma meetup in or around Worldcon, and I'm extending this offer to any fans (or hosts... nudge, nudge), please contact me either in the seattle channel or by direct message so I can search for venues of the right size. (I'm cross posting this in quick burns so it gets on the podcast!)
Liqorice - Vajra Chandrasekera, the author of The Saint of Bright Doors (which won a Nebula award) talks about his pov on genre and literary categories. He is clearly of the "it just depends on how they think they can sell you" camp and doesn't attribute a lot of importance to it. He grew up in Colombo, Sri Lanka and it is interesting to hear his pov on how non-Western readers react to most modern scifi: "We grew up watching disaster movies or alien invasion movies or whatever, and the alien ship was always above London or New York – they were never above Colombo." Maybe Veronica & Tom should try to interview him!
Vajra Chandrasekera on Locus
BARE YOUR SWORD
Clyde wrote: "I do not consider $15 to be a reasonable price for an eBook." and Stephen added "Personally, I have a $5.99 max limit on Novellas and if the eBook is $8.99 to 11.99 it is a sure buy or preorder. Wind and Truth I did buy for $19.99 but they did have the previous books on sale for $3.99 the month before so I feel better about biting the bullet."
Mark: Veronica was dismayed that the wiki's Video Show page only had three episodes, so...
Links go to the Internet Archive because the Geek & Sundry Youtube channel no longer offers access to Sword and Laser videos, except for a trailer and a GRRM interview
Sword and Laser Video Show
Mark: Based on comments here and on the Discord, these are some of the authors which the Miéville Effect has convinced most of us that we've read them as Sword and Laser picks:
• China Miéville
• Seanan McGuire/Mira Grant
• Jim Butcher
• Timothy Zahn
• S.A. Chakraborty
• Bram Stoker
BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION
CHECK IN
The Will of the Many by James Islington
Bookshop.org
Amazon Link
Amazon
My Love/Hate relationship with Polymath Protagonists
Goodreads Discussion
Tassie Dave
Multi Level Marketing
I tried to wrap my brain around the Pyramid Scheme that is the Will ceding in The Will of the Many.
Each level has an increasing number of people ceding half their will to the level above them.
At the top is the Princeps who is receiving Will from 2 Dimidius
Each Dimidius receives Will from 3 Tertius
Each Tertius receives Will from 4 Quartus
Each Quartus receives Will from 5 Quintus
Each Quintus receives Will from 6 Sextus
Each Sextus receives Will from 7 Septimus
Each Septimus receives Will from 8 Octavus
Each Octavus concedes half their Will to the Septimus, so only have 0.5 of a Will to use themself.
A Septimus has 5 Will. 0.5 from each of the 8 Octavus ceding Will to them and 1 of their own. They have to cede 2.5 Will up to the Sextus above them and keep 2.5 Will to use.
I made a table to show the amount of Will each level has and can use.
Will Table
Liqorice
Fantasy school fatigue...or is it?
For me, TWotM being "another fantasy story taking place in another magical school" didn't set it up for success. That isn't just a trope that has been overused, it is one that has been "mal-used" (mal-used isn't a real word but instead of used inappropriately I mean it in the sense that people abuse the trope. Badly.)
Earthsea's magical college is great. Ender's Game is another good use of the trope with devastating consequences. Yes, "Yer a wizard, Harry!" And while I wasn't blown away by Akata Witch that wasn't because "oh, magical-school" - I liked how the school reflected the setting and culture.
And then we get to what I think of as artificially-dangerous fantasy school settings. Scholomance's "Let's send our kids to a magical school where everything and anything there is out to kill them! We love them so much, but it's all we can do!" Fourth Wing's "Let's make our freshmen students run a narrow stone bridge in the rain, have dragons eat a few at the end, and then encourage them to kill one another if the mood strikes them, no demerit points applied!" Even The Black Song with its "The only proper way to create real soldiers is a school to beat them within an inch of their life each day, every day. Because we all know that traumatic musculoskeletal damage isn't debilitating, it's what makes you stronger!”
Imagine, then, my surprise at reading TWotM. A school in a fantasy setting that doesn't mal-use the trope. I enjoyed it. Sure, there is conflict between students. Some of the teachers are supportive and some aren't. There is danger in the background but the adults sending their kids there don't really know about it because the school hides it. There is competition. There are loyalties and betrayals. But it isn't overdone, it is high school and college social interactions played out in a fantasy setting with much higher stakes. Did I mention I enjoyed it?
Anybody else find this a breath-of-fresh-air in a trope that has become very stale?
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