S&L Podcast - #470 - Hammfisted

The last new Terry Pratchett stories, the rise of nonsense literature, a brief intro to our September pick China Mountain Zhang, and final thoughts on Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?

Tom: Truffle Mac and Cheese

Veronica: Prosecco

QUICK BURNS

Francis x: The collection, titled A Stroke of the Pen: The Lost Stories, will be published on 5th October 2023. This collection will be the final ever ‘new’ writing to be published

Jan: Ars Technica has a new article on "The strange, secretive world of North Korean science fiction"

Jan: Tor.com has a long article on the History of Dragons in Western Literature

Kevin: I'm halfway through Babel by R. F. Kuang and it is amazing. This lead me to learning more about Ms. Kuang and found this little blurb for her upcoming book "Katabasis" on Wikipedia, "Kuang reported that while working on her doctoral degree at Yale, she is also working on her sixth novel, a fantasy about two magical PhD students as they travel to Hell "to rescue the soul of their advisers so that they can write their job recommendation letters". In an interview with The Guardian, Kuang calls the project "nonsense literature"." CANNOT WAIT!
Mark: First-year Yale students warned about dark academia on arrival!

BARE YOUR SWORD

Jan:

Sorry that the Bramble was too sweet! Not a ChatGPT recipe though, it's my own spin on the classic Bramble. Maybe my blackberries are tarter than normal - or maybe I am just very, very sweet *g*

I think you could try it without any simple syrup if it's too sweet for you :-)

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Tassie Dave: S&L is almost 16 years old. (not 15)

I doubt you can get it there, but the best fish is Blue Eye Trevalla with Barramundi a close 2nd.

Trike wrote: "Good Omens season 2 is better than season 1, and I am unanimous in this. Because it’s 90% focused on Crowley and Aziraphale."

I agree. It is called out by the coffee shop owner, that they are like an old married couple. They are a delight in their scenes together.

Too much Hamm though. He is well-named. I am not a fan of his hammy acting style. 😕 I know I'm in the minority

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Hi Veronica!
yours is the email I have but if you could pass along a message to Tom, if he ever wants to get together and talk Kpop, I am so DOWN.
It's totally my secondary geekdom these days and no one ever wants to talk 2nd or 3rd gen with me.
Excited to learn about your Canadian relocation, hope it's going okay up there.
All the best,
Gail

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Tom, Veronica,

I'm probably the hundredth to mention this, but the lack of Mahi-Mahi on non-Hawaiian menus might also be influenced by confusion over the name.

When I was growing up I think Mahi-Mahi was nearly always listed on (Bahamian/Floridian) menus as Dolphin or sometimes Dolphinfish. More recently there has been a shift to calling it by its Hawaiian name (Mahi-Mahi) to avoid confusion with the marine mammals and to make it sound more exotic for the tourists. Wikipedia suggests that it's sometimes called Dorado although that same is shared with another golden fish.

As its range includes the Atlantic and Mediterranean I don't think there's any particular reason it would be listed as Mahi-Mahi by restaurants with English menus unless that restaurant has ties to Hawaii or is going out of their way to avoid conjuring thoughts of Flipper.

Thanks for so many wonderful episodes over the years. I hope there's many more to come.

Best regards,
Alan


BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION

Kick Off

China Mountain Zhang by Maureen F. McHugh

Amazon

Katie: Don't forget to place requests with your library! If your library doesn't have it, most will have a form on the website, sometimes in Libby they use the tag "notify me" as a request or just talk to your librarian. They will often add a book to the collection if it seems there is enough interest.

Wrap Up

Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo

Amazon link

nightstorm: I finished this a few days ago, and I have to admit that I skimmed many of the middle chapters with lengthy explanations and focused mainly on the dialogue and murder investigation. This book was a mixed bag for me. There were some very memorable and evocative scenes, but I also felt like they were hit or miss. I wasn't a huge fan of Alex as a character, I know a big point of the book was her rough edges and headstrong actions, but it got a bit stomach training at times. I would have loved to see more of Dawes! I also thought the setting and plot used many familiar tropes, but maybe I just read too much fantasy!
Overall, maybe an average score? Didn't hate it, didn't love it, but there are several scenes that will stick with me for better or for worse...

Tassie Dave: I loved this book. ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ Alex is a great kick-ass character. Multi-layered and more complex than she seems at first. I went straight into Hell Bent.

Pat: I didn’t dislike this book, but I didn’t love it either. I enjoyed the flashbacks and character development, but couldn’t find myself all that invested in the mystery. The ending felt kind of predictable. I agree that I would like to see more Dawes, and I would enjoy seeing Alex and Darlington actually working together once she rescues him, but maybe not enough to read the sequel.

Pilchie: I liked that the answer to the whodunit was: Everyone! Also, it was clear early on that Belbalm was way too sus to not be involved somehow.

jasonb: I enjoyed this pick. And the ending was kind of obvious. I was already betting that Belbam was involved I just didn't realize how she was involved.

And that none of the characters knew she was from the very beginning.

John (Taloni): Apparently I am the only one who didn't think the ending was obvious. For my money the author stuck the landing like a gold-medal-winning Olympic gymnast.
Maybe it was the air of easy condescension from

Belbam, offering up a job and tutoring, then inviting Alex to a party OF COURSE to work because Alex knows her place, right?Iain: This book isn’t Dark Academia. It is Noir Mystical Academia.
If it was Dark Academia Dawes would be the main character and we would spend more time on research and with academics


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S&L Podcast - #469 - Venomous Breaded Hairtail Sucker

Veronica has been in Canada for a year, and the best book in Canada is about Marie Antoinette. Tom ate some breaded hairtail and is excited about Gail Carriger's K-pop post. Plus, we announce the September book and give a few non-spoilery thoughts about Ninth House.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?

Tom: Breaded hairtail and brown rice

Veronica: Fresh Blackberry Bramble

QUICK BURNS

KitsuneHeart. The Hugo voter's packet is out. Supposedly.

Jan: From The Guardian: The winner of the Arthur C Clarke award for science fiction is "Venomous Lumpsucker" by Ned Beauman.

Jan: From Locusmag: The 2023 Aurora Awards winners for works done by Canadians have been announced and Best Novel goes to "The Embroidered Book" by Kate Heartfield.

John: The writers strike claims a victim. :-( The second season of The Peripheral starring Chloë Grace Moretz was picked up for a second series by Amazon but looks to be cancelled.

Christos: Brandon Sanderson is letting other authors write novels taking place in his Cosmere universe. The first writer to take up this task is Dan Wells which makes me very excited because I loved his novel "I am not a Serial Killer and the sequels". Recently they did a podcast together discussing the Dan Wells novel, he said this will introduce a new planet and a new horse like race

Mark: from Gail Carriger 10 Great Kpop Singers & Why They’re Inspiring

BARE YOUR SWORD

terpkristin: Avgolemono soup is not typically heavy and with the lemon, can be very bright. I love it any time of year.

Ruth: To answer V’s question, I’d say that the ur-text of dark academia is The Secret History by Donna Tartt. For those unfamiliar with this book, it’s a thriller, published in 1992 and set at an exclusive New England liberal arts college. The plot and themes are a bit like The Talented Mr. Ripley by Patricia Highsmith, with a posh academic setting.

The Harry Potter books (and movies) really helped to popularise the dark academia vibe and general aesthetic, although the actual stories are a bit more Chosen One! Prophecy! Power of Friendship! than the whole privilege-hungry-morally-compromised-covering-up-murder thriller thing The Secret History has going on.

Another psychological thriller with a dark academia vibe is Gentlemen and Players by Joanne Harris, this one set at a British grammar school.

It’s hard to pin down exactly what makes a book “dark academia” other than general vibes but I’d say that The Magicians by Lev Grossman definitely qualifies. It has that whole secretive world/arcane college thing going on, with some people given the keys to the kingdom and others left outside in the mundane world.

Some more recent books that I think qualify as dark academia include: A Deadly Education by Naomi Novik, The Betrayals by Bridget Collins, Babel: An Arcane History by R.F. Kuang as previously mentioned, and probably a bunch of others that I can’t think of right now. One I have sitting on my TBR shelf is Ink Blood Sister Scribe by Emma Törzs, although I obviously haven’t read it yet so I can’t vouch for it.

Perhaps others have some suggestions too? I love dark academia so I’m always happy to hear about more books!"

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Paul

Thank you Tom for reading my very bad joke which I stole from a very bad Canadian comedy show from the 90s. Thank you Veronica for not calling BS on the lead football right away. I love telling absurd lies to Americans to see what I can get away with. I can't help it. I once convinced someone in Kansas that global warming was causing a housing crisis because our igloos were melting.

Also thank you to everyone (especially the Ruths) for this thread. I laughed to tears listening to the podcast, and now laughed to tears again.

Also, I thought only one of the Ruths was British and that I got you two confused, so thanks for the clarification!

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Ruth (tilltab) Ashworth

Haha! Not only are we both Brits, but we live near enough now for the odd meet up now and then, which is always a treat. :D


BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION

Announce

China Mountain Zhang by Maureen F. McHugh

Amazon

Check In

Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo

Amazon

John (Taloni)'s take on Bardugo

S&L Podcast - #468 - Go Tweed Lions!

Veronica curses the Lions and eats SO many blackberries. Also, our non-spoilery thoughts on Ninth House and Ivy League schools.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?

Tom: Burrito Bowl

Veronica: Halloumi With Corn, Cherry Tomatoes and Basil

QUICK BURNS

Ruth - The shortlists for the British Fantasy Awards have been announced

CountZeroOr: File 770 has posted the winners of the 2023 Seiun Awards (the Japanese equivalent of the Hugos).

Jan: For a magical Summer the Portalist has published an article on their favorite Magic Systems in SFF from Assassin's Apprentice over The Mask of Mirrors to The Black Prism

Mark : The Big 5 remain the Big 5 for now. Paramount Agrees to Sell Simon & Schuster to KKR, a Private Equity Firm

Mark: Uncanny Magazine's Year 10: A Decade of Delightful Defiance Kickstarter, now concluded, passed $55,000, activating a Scalzi stretch goal.

BARE YOUR SWORD

Chris K - Ran across this listicle on tor.com this morning:
21 Thoughts (Not Rules) About Reading Habits

Iain: I just saw a post that Mick Jagger was interested in performing at SF convention in the sixties but was turned down because he was a ruffian. That would have been an interesting filk moment

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Veronica’s ChatGPT Rolling Stones Filk
(Verse 1)
Well, I was warp-speed ridin' in my starship tonight,
On a cosmic journey, yeah, outta sight.
Got my phaser on stun and my tricorder by my side,
Explorin' strange new worlds, with the stars as my guide.

(Chorus)
Hey, it's a space-time shuffle, baby, don't you know,
We're rockin' through the galaxies, puttin' on a show.
Aliens and wormholes, they're part of the scene,
In this interstellar boogie, we're the spacefaring dream.

(Verse 2)
Met a green-skinned beauty on a distant moon,
She said, "Beam me up, Scotty, let's leave this cocoon."
We danced on the asteroids, kissed on a comet's tail,
In this cosmic ballet, love's never gonna fail.

(Chorus)
Hey, it's a space-time shuffle, baby, don't you know,
We're rockin' through the galaxies, puttin' on a show.
Black holes and nebulae, they're part of the scene,
In this interstellar boogie, we're the spacefaring dream.

(Bridge)
Got a replicator jammin', synthesizin' some brew,
And the holodeck's jumpin' with fantasies come true.
So raise up your tranya, let the good times roll,
In this sci-fi groove, baby, we're in full control.

(Verse 3)
Blastin' through asteroid belts, like a wild shooting star,
Captain at the helm, we're explorin' afar.
We're seekers of knowledge, adventurers bold,
In the final frontier, where stories are told.

(Chorus)
Hey, it's a space-time shuffle, baby, don't you know,
We're rockin' through the galaxies, puttin' on a show.
Phasers and starships, they're part of the scene,
In this interstellar boogie, we're the spacefaring dream.

(Outro)
So let's raise up our glasses, to the cosmos we toast,
In this filk rock anthem, we're the ultimate host.
From the Alpha to Delta Quadrants, we'll sail and we'll roam,
In this universe of wonder, filk's our celestial home.

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Paul: I love that Tom follows the CFL (at least enough to know the BC Lions are doing well), but to say it's the NFL for Canada does miss a few fun details that Canadians love to tout as reasons the CFL is tougher than the NFL:
1. The field is 110 yards instead of 100 yards (they could have just made it 100 metres, but that would make too much sense)
2. The teams have 3 downs instead of 4 to move up 10 yards
3. The ball is made of lead.
Note: These facts may not all be true.

BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION

Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo

NH: What are we nomming in Supernatural New England?

NH: putting the darkness into dark academia

NH: East Coast Snobbery: Thoroughly, Depressingly, 100% Accurate

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S&L Podcast - #467 - It Was Good Filk

We get to the bottom of why it's called Fahrenheit 4-5-1 and which songs get stuck in our heads when we hear “Aes Sedai.” We finish up our thoughts on Planetfall by Emma Newman and kick off Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?

Tom: Beef Curry

Veronica: Blackberries

QUICK BURNS

Geoff: The World Fantasy Award 2023 nominees have been announced!

Seth: You may never guess which SFF author made Bustle.com's list of ten slutty books to read before summer ends

BARE YOUR SWORD

"Katie - I have never in my life heard anyone call the book Fahrenheit four-five-one. Listening to this episode is the first time I've encountered it that way!

So now I'm googling around for an answer.

First I found a random forum where someone mentions that Ray himself says it that way in an interview.

And this article has a video clip of Ray Bradbury talking about why he wrote the book and at the very end he says it that way.

So I guess the answer is ""because the author says it that way"" but that doesn't answer the question of: But why does HE say it that way?

However, I learned something new today. Thanks!"

Tamahome: It sounds more like a police car.

Malcolm: In Australia we pronounce it Celcius 2-3-2

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"TRP: I'm probably the only one but everytime someone mentions Wheel Of Time's Aes Sedai, I start to sing the chorus from Simon and Garfunkel's The Boxer, under my breath.

Aes Sedai

Aes Sedai-dai-dai-dai-dai

Aes Sedai

Aes Sedai-dai-dai-dai-dai, dai-dai-Aes Sedai"

Katie hears Amy Grant's El Shaddai and Malcolm hears Too Shy by Kajagogo

Charles: Following with the cookie theme, my daughter works at a cookie shop in Orlando called Gideons Bakehouse. They're a gothic décor store with wonder cookies the size of your head (half pound). Every time we're in Orlando visiting our daughter we have to stop by there and pick up some cookies. One cookie last us two or three days (we cut it up like a pizza). They're sinfully good. Unfortunately they don't ship their desserts.

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"I have always said four hundred and fifty one because of the preceding Fahrenheit.

Though little side story about this discussion

My username is racer951y the 951 comes from a Porsche internal code number for the 944 Turbo.

So in the age of streamers reading my name out.... the 951 is usually saide as nine five one but it is supposed to be said nine fifty-one (and the base car is nine forty four).

Those numbers get even better in German. haha

racer951y"

BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION

KICK OFF

Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo

--Amazon Link

LAST THOUGHTS (spoilery)

Planetfall by Emma Newman

Amazon link

PF: The Sir Mix-A-Lot Sung Soo filk

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